What Goes Around Comes Around. Ghosts of the Past Again.
Vest said...
It seems little snippets of my memoirs are filtering around the world, this is about the severe punishment meted out at my naval college when I was a youngster. Even using fictitious names for the college and staff it now emerges that the person whose grandfather was the perpetrator has communicated with me and requires more info. The message reads.
Ed has left a new comment on your post "A Dire Warning To Would be Drug Traffickers": July:08, archives.
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Thank you very much for posting your info about the Naval training school. I think I know which one it really was as my grandfather was the flogger mentioned. I am sorry to find out he was such a nasty character but would love to know more about him please get in touch if you can - my email is (censored)
Sunday, 14 September 2008 10:39:00 AM EST.
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Replying to your request for further info on Flogger Campbell.
The title 'Flogger' was not known to me while I was a student.
It surfaced within a pamphlet written by a former student whom I knew. At the moment I am franticly searching for it among my hoarded treasures. From it I gathered, that the school experienced a major insurrection around 1949, Many boys 'doing a bunk' and eventually being caught were severely punished with many strokes of a large rattan cane by yours truly, it seems he was brought to book, however, I shall search for this info and send on should I find it.
Captain Campbell the school supervisory officer, was a former Lt/Cmd retired when I went there 16:12:1936 - 7:1:42. He was called up during the war but returned shortly after the death of Admiral Sir Edward Eaton-Ellis (hope I got the name correct ) Pop Admiral as he was called filled the war time gap as the school boss.
The Con job. Ok now I shall inform you it was *I Leslie Jxxxxx Bxxxxxxx who wrote the book mentioned shortly.
Hope the info which follows this letter will be helpful.
You may contact me also at,* (censored)*
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The gymnasium at Watts
There is no doubt that the Barnados sea schools were very good and very successful. On the discipline front the procedure at Russell Cotes and then Parkstone as it became was the usual defaulters' report and then between three and six 'cuts' in the gymnasium over the horse, in private but with the inflicting Petty Officer plus three officers. No ritual or special dress and executed very formally and properly. At Watts up to 1926 it was done with trousers off and the boy strapped over a four-legged horse and biting on a lump of cloth, and always with either the entire school or the defaulter's division mustered to witness it. Afterwards it was over either naval shorts or P.E. shorts in the gym. Cdr 'Flogger' Campbell was in charge between 1934 and 1940, and then back again in 1943 following a war wound. The wound did not appear to impede the movement of his right arm! He usually meted out the canings himself in his own study, and there were reported instances of it being on the bare. Campbell was dismissed in 1946 . The reason was the result of 37 boys enjoying a mass absconding, which was more for devilry and a bit of apple-scrumping than anything else. The less resolute came back within an hour or so and were locked in a basement cellar. It took two days for the remainder to be brought back. It seems that Campbell held the equivalent of a court martial and every boy was sentenced to 12 cuts of the cane. The canings took over two hours to complete, done in the basement cellar with the vaulting horse taken there complete with canvas strappings. The boys were caned on their bare backsides and it was said that their yelps could be heard in the classrooms. Two boys, on being released, ran off again and when caught by the police one of them revealed the state of his buttocks. A police doctor was brought in and then a complaint went to Barnados. Campbell retired on grounds of 'ill health' shortly afterwards. That is the only known instance of abuse at Watts, otherwise the discipline was very strict but fairly imposed.
I did hear that Campbell retired to live near Watlington at place called Brightwell in Oxfordshire. but not too sure, as it was 2nd hand info.I hope the info I have sent is satisfactory. ....... Vest ........ or J L Spencer.my pen name.
Reply:Hello,
Thank you so much for replying so quickly. It really is amazing how the internet helps with these things. My mother (Captain Campbells daughter) was sent off with her mum and twin sister to Boars hill during the war. Captain Campbell divorced my grandmother and I know a lot less about him than my grandmother and her family. I'm beginning to think my mother was so quiet about him because he was such a nasty character.
I am getting the family tree together and I will send you more information as I get it. Its funny that you are from Oxfordshire as that is the part of England that meant most to my mother. She is buried in Berwick Salome (which I think is quite close to Chalgrove) along with her mother.
I am in an internet cafe now so I can't write for long but I will get back to you again soon.
This email address is the best to use for me. I use my hotmail account only when I have to leave an email address somewhere where it might get picked up by spam robots.
Thanks very much for all the information you have already sent.
Best regards,
Edward.
Ed: It seems your Mothers final address in the 50s was as I thought, all places mentioned were within a straight 3 miles of one another.
It seems little snippets of my memoirs are filtering around the world, this is about the severe punishment meted out at my naval college when I was a youngster. Even using fictitious names for the college and staff it now emerges that the person whose grandfather was the perpetrator has communicated with me and requires more info. The message reads.
Ed has left a new comment on your post "A Dire Warning To Would be Drug Traffickers": July:08, archives.
---------------
Thank you very much for posting your info about the Naval training school. I think I know which one it really was as my grandfather was the flogger mentioned. I am sorry to find out he was such a nasty character but would love to know more about him please get in touch if you can - my email is (censored)
Sunday, 14 September 2008 10:39:00 AM EST.
---------------
Replying to your request for further info on Flogger Campbell.
The title 'Flogger' was not known to me while I was a student.
It surfaced within a pamphlet written by a former student whom I knew. At the moment I am franticly searching for it among my hoarded treasures. From it I gathered, that the school experienced a major insurrection around 1949, Many boys 'doing a bunk' and eventually being caught were severely punished with many strokes of a large rattan cane by yours truly, it seems he was brought to book, however, I shall search for this info and send on should I find it.
Captain Campbell the school supervisory officer, was a former Lt/Cmd retired when I went there 16:12:1936 - 7:1:42. He was called up during the war but returned shortly after the death of Admiral Sir Edward Eaton-Ellis (hope I got the name correct ) Pop Admiral as he was called filled the war time gap as the school boss.
The Con job. Ok now I shall inform you it was *I Leslie Jxxxxx Bxxxxxxx who wrote the book mentioned shortly.
Hope the info which follows this letter will be helpful.
You may contact me also at,* (censored)*
--------------------
The gymnasium at Watts
There is no doubt that the Barnados sea schools were very good and very successful. On the discipline front the procedure at Russell Cotes and then Parkstone as it became was the usual defaulters' report and then between three and six 'cuts' in the gymnasium over the horse, in private but with the inflicting Petty Officer plus three officers. No ritual or special dress and executed very formally and properly. At Watts up to 1926 it was done with trousers off and the boy strapped over a four-legged horse and biting on a lump of cloth, and always with either the entire school or the defaulter's division mustered to witness it. Afterwards it was over either naval shorts or P.E. shorts in the gym. Cdr 'Flogger' Campbell was in charge between 1934 and 1940, and then back again in 1943 following a war wound. The wound did not appear to impede the movement of his right arm! He usually meted out the canings himself in his own study, and there were reported instances of it being on the bare. Campbell was dismissed in 1946 . The reason was the result of 37 boys enjoying a mass absconding, which was more for devilry and a bit of apple-scrumping than anything else. The less resolute came back within an hour or so and were locked in a basement cellar. It took two days for the remainder to be brought back. It seems that Campbell held the equivalent of a court martial and every boy was sentenced to 12 cuts of the cane. The canings took over two hours to complete, done in the basement cellar with the vaulting horse taken there complete with canvas strappings. The boys were caned on their bare backsides and it was said that their yelps could be heard in the classrooms. Two boys, on being released, ran off again and when caught by the police one of them revealed the state of his buttocks. A police doctor was brought in and then a complaint went to Barnados. Campbell retired on grounds of 'ill health' shortly afterwards. That is the only known instance of abuse at Watts, otherwise the discipline was very strict but fairly imposed.
I did hear that Campbell retired to live near Watlington at place called Brightwell in Oxfordshire. but not too sure, as it was 2nd hand info.I hope the info I have sent is satisfactory. ....... Vest ........ or J L Spencer.my pen name.
Reply:Hello,
Thank you so much for replying so quickly. It really is amazing how the internet helps with these things. My mother (Captain Campbells daughter) was sent off with her mum and twin sister to Boars hill during the war. Captain Campbell divorced my grandmother and I know a lot less about him than my grandmother and her family. I'm beginning to think my mother was so quiet about him because he was such a nasty character.
I am getting the family tree together and I will send you more information as I get it. Its funny that you are from Oxfordshire as that is the part of England that meant most to my mother. She is buried in Berwick Salome (which I think is quite close to Chalgrove) along with her mother.
I am in an internet cafe now so I can't write for long but I will get back to you again soon.
This email address is the best to use for me. I use my hotmail account only when I have to leave an email address somewhere where it might get picked up by spam robots.
Thanks very much for all the information you have already sent.
Best regards,
Edward.
Ed: It seems your Mothers final address in the 50s was as I thought, all places mentioned were within a straight 3 miles of one another.
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In India we call it skeletons in the cupboard
is it 1130 PM at your place?
just checking
i want to know if u r in bed now
dont want to disturb u when u r in bed
hope u dont sleep in bed
By the every time I have mail from you a bell rings, would you kindly stop I cant get to sleep.
Watts Naval College a charity school with a nautical theme run on militaristic principles. The estate was located in the Norolk rural countryside far from the outside world. It was situated on the edge of a plateau that sloped west to a valley near the river Wensum where the school farmed the land.
Watts had a population of a large staff and about three hundred students between eleven and sixteen years of age. The students were allowed to take two three-week vacations each year during the summer and at Christmas. All other holiday periods were spent at the school. Students without guardians never left the school. Students had no access to the outside world, arbitral access, or personal rights. Discipline was strict. Hunger and fear of punishment were constant. Love and affection were non-existent. All communication to and from the school was censored. Those boys who never left the school on vacation became conditioned to their surroundings (like caged birds) and were probably happier at the school than those of us who had occasional release from our incarceration.
On the 20 December 1936, having been told by my brother that he was going home again to Auntie Parker, I raised the roof and said, “I should go, too!” I was told, “No money, no ticket, no permission. Sorry, you’ll have to stay”. Like bloody hell, I thought. Then the bugler sounded the action stations call and the lucky ones – about half the population of the school – marched to the North Elmham Railway Station.
Two or three hours later, I was on a train that had stopped at a large station. My friend, Ernie Booker and I had no idea where we were going and must have looked conspicuous. The ticket bloke and staff at the station locked us up. Soon after, we were back at HNA.
Living in a dark cloud of rejection, I was totally at odds with that place. I wondered how much more I would have to suffer.
22 December 1936
My brother had arrived in Charlham. Meanwhile, I was confused and in a state of apathy. Ernie and I were in serious trouble. Having only been at this place for six days, I was to get six cuts of the cane, for running away. Having no one to turn to for help, I was wretchedly homesick. It was suggested by a few teachers that because it was so close to Christmas we should be forgiven, but Capt Campbell our Superintendent replied, “Peace on earth and goodwill to all men applies only on Christmas day.”
The remaining population of the school gathered to witness our punishment. A box horse for us to bend over was produced,and we were tied down, plus the biggest rattan cane – even bigger than the one at Charlham School. Ernie went first. It seemed like a bloody execution – minus the knitting hags, the French National Anthem, and a basket for our heads. Ernie was brave but white as a sheet after his six, and had to go to the sickbay. I later learned he had received a testicular injury.
Ernie going first made little difference, as another instructor, ‘Gunner Marten’ was to be my tormentor. I felt bloody awful. My thin trousers barely hid the bleeding welts across my buttocks. After the six strokes, I shouted in agonising pain, “I hope you die, you rotten cruel sod!” and got number seven. Gunner Marten died during the war about four years later. I was unmoved.
Christmas in HNA was over. Our total excitement had consisted of two church parades, an apple, an orange, and cake. Where was Charlie Dickens? What a pity he missed out on this place.
January 1937
Christopher returned from his Christmas holiday and was visibly unhappy, as were most of the ‘lucky’ holiday kids.
Helen, a missionary who has worked among Bhils in Gujarat and MP, says the first step is to send, a recce team to the area.
Armed with basic information, modern missionaries are expected to 'Work out a sound socio-economic plan for the area-like starting a school, a health centre and a self-help groups.
It is only after a minimum of five years.of such groundwork that a Christian denomination actually starts to talk to 10 calleaders about building a church.
The commercial thrust has made the last decade one of the most successful for the growth of Christianity in India.According to the World Religious Council, India's 25 million Christian population could balloon five fold by 2050
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In your case vest you were 10 years of age in 1936 when you recieved that flogging, Seven lashes with a rattan cane.
I just can't imagine the outcry that it would bring from todays child welfare groups.
You must have been a Tough little kid vest.
Good story.
politicians and of course their legal advisors make sure of that.
A QUEENSLAND parliamentarian has called for the cane to be reintroduced into schools as an effective form of "short, sharp" punishment.
Queensland's sole One Nation MP, Rosa Lee Long, says corporal punishment is needed as the "go-soft" approach has failed and children are running amok in gangs.
A "short, sharp" canning would be more effective than sending disruptive children to see a psychologist, she said.
"Schools should have corporal punishment brought back in even as a deterrent and in extreme cases it should be used as necessary," Ms Lee Long told the Nine Network.
"It's a great deterrent. We've already looked at the go-soft approach, I don't believe it's working."
The former grazier, public servant and a small business owner, who was elected to the Queensland parliament in 2001, says governments should trust teachers to discipline children.
"We've got to trust our teachers and trust them to discipline our children," Ms Lee Long said.
"I know they would only discipline them when they had to discipline them."
The Tablelands MP said only repeat offenders who had no respect for authority would be caned.
There was "a great lot of support" for her proposal within the community, she said.
Many countries oppose or prohibit spanking as a form of discipline, and many organizations dedicated to the health of children oppose spanking as a form of discipline.
1 Etymology
2 In homes and schools
3 Research
3.1 Alternatives to spanking
4 Agencies that oppose spanking
4.1 United Nations
4.2 Australia
4.3 Canada
4.4 England
4.5 United States
5 Legal status
6 Non-punitive and voluntary spankings
6.1 Folkloristic spanking traditions
6.1.1 Religious customs
6.1.2 Birthday spanking
6.1.3 As a sexual act
7 See also
8 Notes
9 External links
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Vest said...
Banana Bender: Persons who advocate caning as a form of punishment, should be made aware of its side effects, hatred and a loss of respect towards the persons administering the caning is only a start of the more anti social problems to come with regular caning for minor offences.
Then there is more than a possibility the person could receive damage to blood arteries which could be life threatening.
Arthritic joints in hands have been traced to hand canings received by older persons now in their 70-80s. One stroke of a cane across the palm of the hand, was not always accurate, If the victim flinched or the draconian teacher was off target, fingers were likely
to be broken or veins in the wrist severely damaged causing blood circulation problems.
Needless to say holding a writing instrument would also impair the students writing skills.
TESTING THE WATER.
Those persons who are advocates of Caning, should be licenced to cane.
To qualify as an administer of caning, each applicant shall receive two hand strokes of the cane and follow up with six strokes of the cane across the buttocks. Thus the aquired wisdom attained would serve a useful purpose in the future, namely whether to cane or not.
VEST.
Tuesday
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2:08 AM
Jimmy said...
Beware
VEST is a dirty old man with a seedy rain coat
he flashes
6:48 AM
The proof of the pudding is in its eating.
Try some now free gratis,
six stickfuls of blood soaked cane, eat to your hearts content, I shall provide the four feet long rattan chopstick.
Call now, we have operators awaiting your call. Vest
Readers: jimmie is confused right now. I delete any of his comments containing (naughty content). Jimmie is finding it hard to compile his own persoal comments without filthy content. he is a nice duo person who has a swinging north to south small brain within his noddle, his main brain, is his oversized starboard testicle.
u gott it man
its war again
dont go crying to mama when u get your just desserts
India never looses a war
except to China
and u r no Chinaman
u wudnt be able to eat even with 2 chop sticks
Vest will never be able to sit on an english toilet again
Take your last look at sunshine and brook,
I send my regrets to you Ma,
By this I imply you'll get squashed dunny fly
like a Roo being hit by a car.
Stand by for heaps of deletions'
The problem with Jim is, he has lost the art of being rude without being filthy.
Jimmie: Have a thoughtful day.
hath life grown so dull
that you wish to end your career
Vile infidel know you have trod on the toes of Vestie the man with no fear....Mike.
kiss your ass goodbye
its the end of the western World
global melt down
AIG, Merryl Lych,Lehman Bros, Citibank
have gone down under
India and China on top
After the plane was airborne, drink orders were taken.
The Irishman asked for a whiskey, which was promptly brought and placed before him.
The flight attendant then asked the Muslim if he would like a drink.
He replied in disgust, 'I'd rather be savagely raped by a dozen whores than let liquor touch my lips.'
The Irishman then handed his drink back to the attendant and said, 'Me, too. I didn't realize we had a choice.'
No more warnings-going going gone.
they are beating me
Britain to be most crowded nation
Britain is set to become the most populated European nation within 50 years because of high immigration and birth rates.
A Eurostat report published by the European Commission predicts that by 2060 Britain's population will have risen from today's figure of 61.2 million to 76.6 million, making it the most crowded nation of the European Union's 27 member states.
Immigration and birth rates are the main contributory factors to the changes predicted for the UK.
Britain 'to be most crowded nation' - MSN News UK - news & weather
Pug says: This Country has gone absolutely stark raving mad.
Can't this government see into the future???
{{{{{ PLEASE GET IT SORTED }}}}}
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Thursday, August 14, 2008
until u have formed the habit of looking for the good instead of the bad in the guys u meet,
u will neither be successful or happy
- Napoleon Hill
watch your TV now
a waitress in USA earns 10 dollars per hour min
An American Co, has a project in Bangalore India
they are paying our engineers 30 dollars per hour plus coneveyance boarding and lodging
I am tempted to take up the job
the Factory Act has been amended to allow 10 hour working day
min wage is about Rs 1500/- (30$) per day
Hire and Fire is now allowed
this is for organized sector
most Cos are not Companies or factories
u show less than 7 workers on Company muster and u can do what u like with workers
employ migrant labor from Bihar and UP
give them food and accomodation and they dont want wages
Bal Thackeray in Mumbai is screaming
Maharashtrians (Marathi manoos) are loosing jobs
the Marathis are fatted
they dont work hard
they dont work at all really
A madam opened the brothel door in Winnipeg and saw a rather dignified, well-dressed, good-looking man in his late forties or early fifties 'May I help you sir? she asked. 'I want to see Valerie,' the man replied.
'Sir, Valerie is one of our most expensive ladies. Perhaps you would prefer someone else', said the madam...
'No, I must see Valerie,' he replied. Just then, Valerie appeared and announced to the man she charged $5000 a visit. Without hesitation, the man pulled out
five thousand dollars and gave it to Valerie, and they went upstairs.
After an hour, the man calmly left.
The next night, the man appeared again, once more demanding to see Valerie.
Valerie explained that no one had ever come back two nights in a row as she was too expensive. But there were no discounts. The price was still $5000.
Again, the man pulled out the money, gave it to Valerie, and they went upstairs. After an hour, he left.
The following night the man was there yet again. Everyone was astounded that he had come for a third consecutive night, but he paid Valerie and they went upstairs...
After their session, Valerie said to the man, 'No one has ever been with me three nights in a row. Where are you from?' The man replied, ' Ontario '.
'Really', she said. 'I have family in Ontario .'
'I know.' the man said. 'Your sister died, and I am her attorney. She asked me to give you your $15,000 inheritance.'
The moral of the story is that three things in life are certain.
1. Death
2. Taxes
and
3. Being screwed by a lawyer.
it is (min wage) about Rs 1500/- (30$) per month
but not much really
dont quote me
she dont work at all
she blogs all day
and all night
However, whether I am right or wrong, my formed opinion is sacrosanct. I suggest you seek another source for your enquiry.
Well, for example, the other day my wife and I went into town and went into a shop.
We were only in there for about 5 minutes. When we came out, there was a cop writing out a parking ticket.
We went up to him and said, 'Come on man, how about giving a senior citizen a break?'
He ignored us and continued writing the ticket. I called him a Nazi turd. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tyres.
So my wife called him a shit-head. He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket. This went on for about 20 minutes. The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote.
Personally, we didn't care. We came into town by bus. We try to have a little fun each day now that we're retired. It's important at our age.
it is true
Michele married Pugs
I mean Pugs married Michele
actualy they married each other
they are coming to Mumbai to see me
hahahahahahaha
the first time I felt it
I tot my pants were on fire
it has been happening again and again
I got worried
went to see my doc
he asked me a lotta embarrasing questions
how much I drink and how much I smoked
then he pulled me close and asked me
how many times I sex
I lied
told him once a week
He smiled
he said u r fine
that is all that matters
I want a second opinion
is there a doc in the house?
preferably a female doc
I got just one day to live young
tommorrow I will be an old fogey like Vest
OMG
Rm said dat ???
Her greasy spoon truck stop diner serves up the best 'Road kill pies'.
Once apon a time in story fairy land, we lved together in the PNG Jungle and had three kids.
This is bound to confuse people.